Ideas can be conceptual but they can also be visual. A visual idea can be using lines in a certain way, or having a personal eye of design. You cannot prompt that sort of thing, only steal “styles” Ai art is a device to allow people who don’t want to think about the nuances of language to larp and be tourists in the acct of creation. As if we didn’t have enough of that with nepotism in media.
Concepts are maybe in there in real art but if it’s only concept, I’d argue it’s more of a happening or something else, at least as creation of art goes. It’s like beautiful design, that’s not art, its design (with exceptions like Giger I guess).
But concepts can also be visual. Traditional abstract art is built on the idea that the visual construction of a piece can be the concept itself. The idea that every image needs a concept comes from the postmodernist point of view and it’s obsession with language, and aside from the fact that we’ve been moving away from the postmodern mindset since the late aughts, there are still residual manifestations of traditional abstract art in contemporary practice.
What is the difference between design for art sake and commercial design? The lack of utility. I feel this is the reason why most westerners cannot wrap their head around The idea of design or beauty for beauty’s sake: The contemporary western mind is obsessed with utilitarianism, even in art. But many proponents of abstract art talked about their craft as making visual music: The point is not to make a story about the lines the points or the edges. like Kandinsky would say; But to make the visual impact the enjoyment itself. Just like listening to a good melody.
Generated images and video loose all that nuance because translating visual language to written language is like programming with a drumkit: Images music and even movies, are not merely conceptualized. That is Anarcho-capitalist mindset; The drive to kill community and anonymize human action; Images, music and movies are valuable because there was a human procedure to make them, that correspond with our cultural and biologic realities. The art of an era is a map of the subjectivity that humans manufactured for that era, this subjectivity is not just stories but the images, sounds and feelings of this era. Letting The medium of generative art take over that act flattens that map into a cultural products. It is the rise of completely manufactured artificial subjectivity.
Lot to take in here! I think we’re basically on the same page, with some nuances (because we’re humans from different places!). For example when I said design, I thought of the paintings that are made to go well with someones kitchen and staircase. Not a beautiful art nouveau coffee machine. I’d love living in a world where art > utility, so I moved to france, and at least we have all the beautiful buildings to boot.
I think lots of people get stuck in the rat race, and forget about beauty, but at least we got our culinary culture and rich history as a backdrop. In hardcore capitalist countries like the USA I guess not so much, where form or function are not questions but an afterthought of the commercial viability, and even that seems to be crushed by predatory market practices.
Anarco capitalism, is that “ancaps”? I always thought they were young angry people who never needed to rely on anyone except themselves (yet) and their mom, and I guess a bit low empathy and a black and white world view.
I hate the part where everything has to be monetised, I’d love a space where everyone could just share everything they do or like.
Ideas can be conceptual but they can also be visual. A visual idea can be using lines in a certain way, or having a personal eye of design. You cannot prompt that sort of thing, only steal “styles” Ai art is a device to allow people who don’t want to think about the nuances of language to larp and be tourists in the acct of creation. As if we didn’t have enough of that with nepotism in media.
Concepts are maybe in there in real art but if it’s only concept, I’d argue it’s more of a happening or something else, at least as creation of art goes. It’s like beautiful design, that’s not art, its design (with exceptions like Giger I guess).
For prompting shit, yeah totally.
But concepts can also be visual. Traditional abstract art is built on the idea that the visual construction of a piece can be the concept itself. The idea that every image needs a concept comes from the postmodernist point of view and it’s obsession with language, and aside from the fact that we’ve been moving away from the postmodern mindset since the late aughts, there are still residual manifestations of traditional abstract art in contemporary practice.
What is the difference between design for art sake and commercial design? The lack of utility. I feel this is the reason why most westerners cannot wrap their head around The idea of design or beauty for beauty’s sake: The contemporary western mind is obsessed with utilitarianism, even in art. But many proponents of abstract art talked about their craft as making visual music: The point is not to make a story about the lines the points or the edges. like Kandinsky would say; But to make the visual impact the enjoyment itself. Just like listening to a good melody.
Generated images and video loose all that nuance because translating visual language to written language is like programming with a drumkit: Images music and even movies, are not merely conceptualized. That is Anarcho-capitalist mindset; The drive to kill community and anonymize human action; Images, music and movies are valuable because there was a human procedure to make them, that correspond with our cultural and biologic realities. The art of an era is a map of the subjectivity that humans manufactured for that era, this subjectivity is not just stories but the images, sounds and feelings of this era. Letting The medium of generative art take over that act flattens that map into a cultural products. It is the rise of completely manufactured artificial subjectivity.
Fantastic.
Lot to take in here! I think we’re basically on the same page, with some nuances (because we’re humans from different places!). For example when I said design, I thought of the paintings that are made to go well with someones kitchen and staircase. Not a beautiful art nouveau coffee machine. I’d love living in a world where art > utility, so I moved to france, and at least we have all the beautiful buildings to boot.
I think lots of people get stuck in the rat race, and forget about beauty, but at least we got our culinary culture and rich history as a backdrop. In hardcore capitalist countries like the USA I guess not so much, where form or function are not questions but an afterthought of the commercial viability, and even that seems to be crushed by predatory market practices.
Anarco capitalism, is that “ancaps”? I always thought they were young angry people who never needed to rely on anyone except themselves (yet) and their mom, and I guess a bit low empathy and a black and white world view.
I hate the part where everything has to be monetised, I’d love a space where everyone could just share everything they do or like.
Cheers