• neidu3@sh.itjust.works
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    16 hours ago

    I will never understand why people go down the tankie route. Sure, communism I can understand, even if it’s not a political ideology I agree (that much) with. When you’re starving and someone promises you all the potatoes you can drink, that’s a massive upgrade. But what causes otherwise intelligent people (because I’m sure this guy is) to cling to authoritarianism and human rights violations as something to support and even promote?
    Sure, CIA bad, and all that. That doesn’t mean KGB good. Murica bad doesn’t mean NK good.

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      4 hours ago

      If you are actually asking;

      Because most people generally agree that a more equitable society is good, people being beholden to their employers in a relationship with an extremely lopsided power dynamic is bad etc.

      But because if even filthy shitlibs agree with things like that there is no value to espousing them; you get no good-leftists points for a statement which costs you nothing to make.

      But if you say the US deserved 9/11 due to it’s support for Israel, or that North Korea is actually a model state and all the reports of human rights violations are just propaganda etc. well you are clearly willing to burn all your political credibility with normies and so you must be an ardent communist and therefore worthy of respect.

      In real life this effect is diminished because you are usually forced into interacting with people who sadly aren’t a fan totalitarian regimes or quite like the US and you see these people often enough that you maybe respect them and care about their opinions. So you naturally moderate your opinions so you can perceive yourself as someone they would respect in turn.

      But if you live in an echo chamber, the statements which would otherwise carry a personal cost suddenly become free and still ingratiate you with you peers. And then it becomes a conception to see who can pick the position juuust within the echo chamber’s overton window but as far as possible outside the general public’s overton window.

      See also: the young republicans mask off support for literal Nazism in their group chat.

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      12 hours ago

      Echo chambers, belief perseverance and the “second belief theory” (I’m not sure it’s a real theory). For example most (western) people learn that the US is great and everybody else are terrorists from action movies. Then you learn that the US has done a lot of horrible things. However finally you also learn that the Soviet Union also did a lot of horrible shit, and then you have a nuanced opinion. However some people stick to the second belief, that the US is the great Satan and they know so much more than everyone else that have only learnt from action movies (even if they are on the third belief)

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      18 hours ago

      They need mother and/or father figures. Something to tell them what to do and handle everything for them.