~20 hours ago I wrote…

I’m really shocked they didn’t cave [within the first week or two]. I was nearly 100% certain they would.

I’ll work on my Nostradamus more.

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    So its like you unionized went on strike and then after a couple of weeks you go back to work with worse conditions from the bargain than what you went in with.

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    They spent the past year pathetically whining about they just couldn’t fight Trump and their supporters just needed to wait and vote. Then they cave in not even one week after a wave election where just about every single Democrat who was running for something won their seat.

    Why do the liberals hate it so much when the Democrats get called a controlled opposition, it’s so self evidently true.

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      If the Dems are controlled opposition, there’s no one on their side. That’s legitimately scary and could mean the only way to get proper representation is revolutionary action, which is even scarier and seems impossible. No surprise really that people who are currently fairly comfortable are reluctant to believe it.

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    for all the talk of “trump always chickens out” it seems like the real acronynm should be DACO eh?

    joke aside, dems absolutely got a call from major donors over the shutdown saying it was time to wrap it up, id be curious to see if it was the airlines or supermarkets that was the bigger factor

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    The deal would include a December vote on a Democratic proposal to extend ACA tax credits for one year, multiple sources said. It would take 60 votes to pass.

    Funding the government through the end of January in exchange for a vote that won’t pass…

    The agreement is expected to include language that would, at a minimum, undo the federal layoffs that President Trump implemented during the shutdown.

    …and a bunch of people who have probably found new jobs getting offered their old ones back

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      Democrat lawmakers are doing violemce against me.

      Not their trash policies and capitulation that will almost certainly get me killed, but how spectacularly stupid they are. It’s so stupid it hurts to read.

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      Funding the government through the end of January in exchange for a vote that won’t pass…

      Ah but have you considered that this will let them get Republicans on RECORD as voting against it which they will use in attack ads come 2026 mid-terms? Oh yes, their master plan is all coming together thanks to the consultants. Of course those same consultants will tell them in July 2026 that actually that doesn’t play and you shouldn’t harp on those votes and why people’s Obamacare is now $2000/month and instead advise that they triangulate for “moderate anti-abortion centrist voters” and other fairy-tales so they tack right.

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        Yeah, I guess if you view this exercise solely through the lens of winning elections and successfully fundraising, the shutdown has been a success.

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    The Democrats got their press long enough to get a CIA agent governor and an overall high dem turnout (with donations to match I’d wager), now they can give up because there’s nothing more to gain for them.

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    normie lib update: my dad, who has prior peddled the “Biden was the most progressive president since FDR” line and was subscribed to Jen Rubin’s Substack just a year prior is now cursing out Chuck Schumer and calling for everyone who caves to be ostracized from politics

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      At least, when the dems cave we can get a lot of mileage out of pointing out their class collaboration. I’ve been doing my best to plant seeds about how our blue state gov’s inaction against ICE, all while his state troopers actively protect them, amounts to nazi collaboration, and even normal libs seem pissed off enough to actually be receptive to this idea.

      There are absolutely huge fissures in both dominant ideologies in this country right now that seem likely to only spiral further out of their control; it’s a really unique moment for us to exploit.

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        and even normal libs seem pissed off enough to actually be receptive to this idea.

        That guy that keeps yapping, Pritzker, all the libs seem to love him and yet he has done less than shit against ICE.

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        yeah he’s not there yet, but who knows how things will play out. it’s interesting how even some hyperpartisan laymen are beginning loathe their masters. Very interesting that the only base of uncritical support left may be party staff and colleagues. I will watch this situation with interest. I am quite interested in what may result from this.

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      On the subject of lib dads, my almost 80 year old “progressive” liberal father still thinks the Democrats are these leftwing pillars of opposition to Trump, who is the cause of the US’s slide into fascism rather than a symptom (an inevitability of the fascism that has always been embedded in US liberal “democracy”). He was using my own reliance on SNAP and how I wouldn’t be able to get food this month as proof that I was foolish to oppose the Democratic Party, telling me “I know you think Democrats and Republicans are the same, but you wouldn’t be losing your only way to buy food if a Democrat was president!” When I tried to start explaining the Overton Window to him, he said “There’s still a left and a right and the Democrats are on the left,” and refused to speak to me further when I said something about how that was like thinking the Wiemar Republic was a great left wing pillar of opposition to the rise of the right in 1920s Germany.

      I have little doubt that he’ll see this pathetic caving by the Dems and think it was an unfortunate but necessary political move made because the good Democrats really want to help poor people get their benefits back. He used to watch Amy Goodman and likes the Motorcycle Diaries movie so he thinks he’s a leftist.

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    Meanwhile on Bluesky.

    just left snippy messages for schumer and gillibrand. first time for everything i guess!

    202-224-3121

    “Snippy”, eh? I’m stealing that for my parodies. What a fantastically lib word.

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        C’mon. The reality of this is not binary. There’s very large gray area between pleading by “being snippy” and being hostile by saying “Schumer can go fuck himself.”

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          right, “snippy” is rude. the average liberal is so concerned with civility they would probably not f-bomb a voicemail

          i’m 50-50 on whether that person in particular thinks chuck will personally listen to the messages

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            I seriously don’t know what “snippy” means to the average lib. Is it something like…

            “Senator Schumer - I’m tempted to use the f-bomb in this message. It illustrates how deeply disappointed I am in you. Furthermore I am crestfallen that…”

            i’m 50-50 on whether that person in particular thinks chuck will personally listen to the messages

            I think the average phone call lib knows Schumer won’t ever actually hear them. Yet they cling to some kind of phone call cargo cult thing where if enough people like them make phone calls - the senators will hear them. It’s like “Field of Dreams” I guess.

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              Yet they cling to some kind of phone call cargo cult thing where if enough people like them make phone calls - the senators will hear them. It’s like “Field of Dreams” I guess.

              a fuckload of phone calls and physical mail does make a difference if they start doing the math and get worried about not having votes when they want to get re-elected, it’s just really hard to actually get that much political engagement from burgerlanders in a non-election year. it’s a little cargo-culty but it’s not as feckless as the no kings shit.

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              This is why when calling your legislators, it’s always important to start off the voicemail message with the magic words: “I know where you live and I have seen where you sleep”

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      My mum is a hopeless 1960s “we protested our way out of Viet Nam” type who dragged me to one of the rallies. I proposed a sign saying “We’re running out of witty slogans” which seems about right for the zeitgeist.

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      Not for Schumer. I assume the donor class called him up to kvetch about horrible holiday air travel. They will be very pleased with the shutdown ending and they’ll throw the necessary millions at him he needs to win his reelection. For the people of New York State - I’m sure he has a PR plan about what he claims is some shit like what the dems agreed to is “good deal for the American people”. Sadly it will probably work. He’s never lost an election.

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        Per the NYCrimes

        It contains something that many Democrats were quietly pressing for: a provision that would call federal workers who were laid off during the shutdown back to their jobs. It also would provide funds to ensure that federal workers who were furloughed during the shutdown can receive retroactive pay.

        lol they’re trying so hard to pretend they got literally anything out of this shutdown. Hooray! We got concessions to address the effects of the shutdown that would not have existed were it not for the shutdown. Amazing win for the people!

        The short-term spending bill would additionally bar the Office of Management and Budget from implementing any additional mass layoffs of federal workers through Jan. 30.

        Did you hear that? They’re going to have to wait 2 entire months!

        The shutdown never-surrender shtick served its purpose for the elections, now that that’s over with it’s time to wind down.

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          Did you hear that? They’re going to have to wait 2 entire months!

          And the Republicans don’t even fucking have to do that lmao. It’s gonna be so obvious to everyone else on earth when the Republicans renege in like 2 days because they already got everything they wanted i-cant

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        As long as the incorrect idea that the two parties are meaningfully opposed to one another hangs on in the back of your head, you’re gonna keep being surprised by this shit. Just remember that they effectively take turns at being controlled opposition.

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    The spirit of James Buchanan has never left the Democratic party. The mindset that led to the compromise of 1850 and the Fugitive Slave Act runs in their blood and through their souls.

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      Keremy Chao‬ ‪@jmchao.bsky.social‬ · 58m We didn’t call Jan 6 witnesses for testimony during the second impeachment because people had Valentine’s Day plans. There are some self-centered bad people in office.

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