Edit: I have been notified that the moderator in question is apparently being targeted by a doxxing and harassment campaign (directed at him and his family). I don’t think it needs to be said, but: do not participate in this. It is pointless, unproductive, and wrong.
I didn’t go looking for a reason to create this post (just to make that clear) and the point isn’t to stir drama. I just happened to run across it while browsing (explained below).
I also want to emphasize that since _cryptagion seems to thrive on attention, no matter how negative, this post is not about him. It’s about db0 (the admin who defended him) and the fact that he is still a mod on dbzer0. If he gets a little thrill because people are talking about him online, I would encourage him to either re-evaluate whatever aspect of his personality leads him to enjoy the attention he gets for saying genocidal fascistic things, or drop the pretense and just get a hakenkreuz tattoo, since that would get plenty of attention.
The original incident (1 month ago).
You may recall the recent incident in which a dbzer0 moderator (_cryptagion) said that all 27 million Soviet citizens killed by the nazis deserved it. Here is a post discussing it and here is a follow-up post discussing his smug non-apology.
Also discussed in the linked follow-up is the fact that db0, the admin of the instance, repeatedly accused us of lying and spreading disinformation to malign the moderator in question. This is a lie (or an incredible level of gullibility combined with not actually reading any of the threads _cryptagion posted in), which was obvious at the time but will become much more obvious by the end of this post.
The moderator claimed that he thought 27 million was the number of soldiers who were killed (which would still make him a nazi supporter). This is the core (as far as I can tell) of the disinfo argument, even though the moderator only claimed that after the backlash and in his original statements doubled down many times when people tried to explain to him that what he was saying was terrible.
The reason I am bringing this up again now.
I was just now browsing old /c/slop posts (probably a harmful hobby, but I was bored) and I came across this one. This is a thread discussing how, 10 months ago (9 months prior to the incident discussed above), the same moderator did the exact same thing. Here is at least one comment at the time replying directly to _cryptagion and explaining plainly that the 27 million number included many civilians. I cannot explain this other than _cryptagion being a crypto-fascist intentionally pushing nazi support, or _cryptagion being a crypto-fascist unintentionally pushing nazi support because he has built his entire personality around hating the USSR (this isn’t actually any different from being an intentional crypto-fascist in practice). db0 (the admin) would have been aware of this because he was tagged in the thread and replied.
db0 (the admin) claimed to believe _cryptagion (the moderator/user) when he claimed that he thought 27 million was the number of soldiers killed (reminder: that would still make him a nazi supporter). db0 either lied about people criticizing _cryptagion, or believed _cryptagion lying (poorly) to them. Therefore, I don’t see what other conclusion can be drawn than “db0 is either incredibly gullible and has been led by the nose by a crypto-fascist”, or “db0 is a bad-faith fascist apologist”. I personally think it’s the first - blindly picking a “side” here with a friend, but the friend is saying that Soviet soldiers should have surrendered to the nazis.
Note that I am not proposing de-federation. Almost every dbzer0 user I see here is acting in good faith. I’m posting this because I’m hoping it shakes out some kind of better explanation, or leads to something being done about thinly-veiled nazi apologia being apparently allowable (or at least not punished) on dbzer0.
Unruffled was also defending him with bullshit deflections, but regardless I think this is a waste of time to litigate again. Just mark it on the wall of shame or whatever and move on.
Yeah, I was just reading the comments of the smug non-apology thread again and it was honestly worse than I remembered it being. These are the people who accuse you of being a “campist”: self-declared “anarchists” or “libertarians” deflecting for and defending someone who is (in the comments of the “apology”) doubling down and saying that Soviet soldiers should have surrendered to the nazis. Really principled stuff, definitely not just vulgar, thoughtless side-picking.
regardless I think this is a waste of time to litigate again
Specifically regarding litigating it again, you’re probably right. I was just disgusted when I happened upon the post showing _cryptagion doing the exact same thing 9 months prior and I remembered db0 (and Unruffled as you say) doing the bullshit “oh those Hexbears are misrepresenting the nazi stuff our friend is saying, he didn’t realize he was being a nazi” routine a month ago.
Euros just love to defend Hitlerism
If db0 didn’t care then then I don’t see how they will care now. Cryptagion is a nazi though, yes.
I’m not holding my breath for db0 to suddenly discover principles and realize that fascism is bad even when it’s coming from a friend and it makes the Hexbear tankies mad. One can hope, but I doubt it. I’m slightly more hopeful that db0 might think this all looks bad and do something about it for that reason.
This is also further evidence it is impossible to have a community in a “tankiejerk” style (meaning where the entire point is to be an anticommunist) without also fostering fascism.
Note that I am not proposing de-federation
I don’t see the point when there’s not a widespread problem of dbzer0 users being hitlerites. It’s literally this one guy (at least that I’ve seen) and (it seems like) a couple of admins pathetically grasping around and lying to themselves to find rationalizations to defend their friend because he’s on their “side” against the evil Hexbear tankies or whatever. Almost every user of dbzer0 I actually see on here has been fine, some have interesting perspectives.
As a counter-example, IIRC we de-federated sh.itjust.works because they were constantly coming into the comments and saying fascist shit as well as stirring drama across instances (as an excuse to say fascist shit).
I don’t see the point when there’s not a widespread problem of dbzer0 users being hitlerites.
Did you see the average db0 post on .ml? Most of them are antitankie cointelpro vessels so i imagine already makes them at least the candidate for nazi bar especially that their bartenders are already there.
Did you see the average db0 post on .ml?
I only see the ones who comment on here. For the purposes of federation, I think the ones who participate here through federation are the most relevant, too.
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Without being able to see this now deleted comment, I’m going to assume it was prompted by the very serious “anarchist” who spent dozens of comments insisting that doing anything would be authoritarian and eventually everyone would just agree to not have hierarchies anymore if we wait long enough (and also that real anarchists don’t do class analysis).
Sadly, this emoji remains evergreen.Anti-tankies are harboring nazis in their midst? This cannot be.
Another comment I just found in the 10-month-old thread shows that db0 (the admin) would have been aware of this because he was tagged in the thread and replied. So hiding behind “oh _cryptagion didn’t know he was being a hitlerite and the Hexbear users are doing misinformation” when _cryptagion does the same thing 9 months later is intensely dishonest.
“We’re looking into it”
The exact same person does the exact same
thing 9 months later.“Actually this is tankie misinformation”
Life comes at you fast, I guess.
Cryptagion is currently being targeted by a dedicated harassing and doxxing effort. His name, address, and picture of him + wife & children have been posted on lemmy while he is being harassed via direct message.
Please do not take any actions that could encourage that harassment
His name, address, and picture of him + wife & children have been posted on lemmy while he is being harassed via direct message.
That’s terrible. What is wrong with people?Sure, I think his views on WW2 are reprehensible, but no one should be harassing anyone IRL and especially not anyone’s family based on things that are purely online.
I have edited a warning into the top of the post body. Let me know if there are any other actions you think I should take with respect to this post.
I hope that Nazi and his loved ones remain safe and unbothered.
I ran into an “anti deutsche” guy over on dbzer0 the other day btw, he even had that ridiculous antifa ripoff logo with the Israeli flag as his pfp lol
It’s wild how a supposedly anarchist instance just allows these sort of people
banning Nazis is authoritarian
Begging you to touch grass
I happened to find additional (new-to-me) evidence of fascism from a moderator in a federated instance being excused and defended by an instance admin and I spent a little bit of time writing a summary.
You came here and replied something which might as well be “wow, pretty cringe to care about something on the internet”. I’m not sure why, but I assume to show everyone how little you care and how cool it is?
I get some enjoyment from interacting with people on this website. How is me making this thread worse than someone watching TV or YouTube slop, or scrolling Instagram or X, or any number of things that most people do on the internet all the time? “Touch grass” is meaningless, if you don’t like something I said, say so. If you truly just commented because you think it’s cringe to care about something on the internet, please reconsider.
Come on man, what’s the point of a comment like this? I don’t care enough to keep up on the fascists and what they’re doing/saying in detail but if LeninWeave idly caught a Nazi in a lie that’s no reason to come in with some condescending
comment. Caring about things is cool actually.no u
Holy shit folks, we have the best emoji. 
Thanks for the report, I blocked him.
