I agree the data shows more men commit suicide than women. All I’m pointing out is that if you factor in the risk profiles based on other characteristics (like race) then cis white men are orders of magnitude less likely to commit suicide than non-white men, trans men, gay men, etc. They are a low risk group, comparatively.

The suicide rates amongst white people (3.1% in the US) are lower than nearly any other group, according to the CDC.

In 2023, the overall U.S. age-adjusted suicide rate was 14.1 per 100,000. Rates were lowest among non-Hispanic Asian (Asian) persons (6.5) and highest among non-Hispanic American Indian or Alaska Native (AI/AN) (23.8), non-Hispanic White (White) (17.6), and non-Hispanic Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander (NH/PI) persons (17.3) (Table) (Supplementary Figure). During 2018–2023, although overall U.S. age-adjusted suicide rates did not change, age-adjusted rates did change by race and ethnicity, increasing significantly among non-Hispanic Black or African American (Black) (25.2%) and Hispanic persons (10.0%) and declining significantly among White persons (3.1%). Rate differences among NH/PI persons were not significant because of small numbers. From 2021 to 2023, overall rates among AI/AN persons declined significantly (15.3%).

Additionally, this study shows that only 1.4% of cisgender males have seriously attempted suicide requiring medical care, compared to 15.4 percent of trangender men, for example. So yes, of course suicide and depression are a reality for white men, but trans men are doing 11x worse, for example. That’s why it seems pathetic for straight white men to be complaining they are the victim here.

Are you saying you think it was wrong to hang a Nazi collaborator and cheerleader, because he was a journalist? What if he wasn’t a journalist? What’s your point?

YDI

Love that guy. [edit: Coffeezilla!]

In total, anarchists should uphold the soviet experience, and disprove bourgeois framing of Stalin and the USSR. This weakens bourgeois cultural hegemony, strengthening both anarchist and Marxist movements. I know this was long, but I hope it was at least interesting to read!

I appreciate the interesting read! Just been a bit hectic irl. Personally, I’m sympathetic to the fact that the West has collectively demonized the USSR with propaganda ever since 1917. Objectively, yes, the USSR achieved a lot in a very hostile environment, both military and economic, and they also did a lot of stuff I don’t agree with, but that’s not confined to the Soviets, of course.

I guess I just don’t see the point in the exercise though. You’re never gonna get much traction trying to rehabilitate Stalin, because anti-Soviet propaganda is so deeply ingrained. Like why even fight that fight? You’re gonna hit a brick wall every time, because it’s a “toxic brand” of sorts. Arguing over Stalin’s legacy feels genuinely counterproductive to me, compared to just advocating for community groups, socialism and direct action. I guess we are just coming at the same task from different angles. Thanks for sharing your perspective.

How do you see his critique? Do you think that anarchism cares less about wider social emancipation?

I don’t think it’s accurate. And no, definitely not. It seems like he is describing libertarians more than anarchists imo, as mutual aid and community building are core principles of anarchism.

It was you who was behaving like an entitled asshole. YDI. People can hate on Cowbee’s politics all they like (and they relentlessly do, poor guy), but he’s probably one of our calmest and most patient lemmy users. Especially considering all the abuse he gets simply for commenting.

I think you could and should draw a line here between what is a hateful meme and what is an unfunny meme. This meme is basically just homophobic hate speech and it’s getting reported as such.

I have no idea how to take that but I’m sex positive, so thanks? 🙏

Why me, in particular? lol

Though it pains me a little to back up Jordan here, YDI. The community rule is pretty clear and there’s plenty of alternative news comms to post to.

I suspect for some folks Stalin is bad because […]

For most folks in the west, stalin is considered to be a brutal authoritarian dictator who made a deal with the nazis to carve up europe into spheres of influence. It should not be surprising to anyone that a lot of anarchists hold to that view, especially given stalin’s view of anarchists (see below).

We are not the kind of people who, when the word “anarchism” is mentioned, turn away contemptuously and say with a supercilious wave of the hand: “Why waste time on that, it’s not worth talking about!” We think that such cheap “criticism” is undignified and useless.

Nor are we the kind of people who console themselves with the thought that the Anarchists “have no masses behind them and, therefore, are not so dangerous.” It is not who has a larger or smaller “mass” following today, but the essence of the doctrine that matters. If the “doctrine” of the Anarchists expresses the truth, then it goes without saying that it will certainly hew a path for itself and will rally the masses around itself. If, however, it is unsound and built up on a false foundation, it will not last long and will remain suspended in mid-air. But the unsoundness of anarchism must be proved.

Some people believe that Marxism and anarchism are based on the same principles and that the disagreements between them concern only tactics, so that, in the opinion of these people, it is quite impossible to draw a contrast between these two trends.

This is a great mistake.

We believe that the Anarchists are real enemies of Marxism. Accordingly, we also hold that a real struggle must be waged against real enemies. Therefore, it is necessary to examine the “doctrine” of the Anarchists from beginning to end and weigh it up thoroughly from all aspects.

So if I may ask you a question - if marxism and anarchism are fundamentally enemies, as stalin himself argued, why would any anarchist support the modern day ML penchant for rehabilitating stalin’s reputation? It makes no sense. But sure, keep telling yourself anarchists hate stalin because of his virtues and not because of his other characteristics.

It’s pretty low stakes, so I’m happy to let it blow over, but thanks for the ideas. Our admins did previously discuss the idea of banning certain topics on the instance that almost always provoke arguments / drama, and instead have a dedicated community with posts for each of those topics where such discussions can be contained (and easily avoided). But it’s not gone past the concept stage yet and we would obviously need to gauge community support.

The dbzer0 users that like Hex and such already go to Hex, the ones that don’t avoid it, and the reverse is true for Hex users and dbzer0.

Amen to that.

For what it’s worth, I try to leave dbzer0 to y’all unless it’s a thread I think most of us can agree on in comms like ye power tripping bastards, and then it’s a toss up if dbzer0 users or sh.itjust.works users swarm me just for being there (like the thread goat drama-baited on a few days ago). I think boundaries are best when they are clear.

Yeah I felt bad for ya on that one. Seems like a high proportion of canadian conservatives on that instance, who are basically MAGA-lite.

Honestly this petty drama mostly comes from a handful of users, most people are more chill.

Yes, exactly, it’s all so pointless. The manufactured outrage, polemic arguments, and bad faith takes on both sides is nothing but a waste of time and effort. Particularly when it’s over grievances that happened generations ago. It really shouldn’t surprise anyone that a lot of anarchists hate stalin’s ussr and regard the molotov–ribbentrop pact as a disgrace. And yes, it was also disgraceful that european leaders spurned a deal with the soviets to counter hitler when one was on the table. We don’t need to re-litigate the whole topic because I know we view this differently.

There was simply no need for it to descend into an self-indulgent orgy of manufactured outrage over this topic as happened in c/slop - but that’s kind of their MO I guess (free tagline? lol). And crytagion and kittyroll did kick all this off, so they brought it on themselves and I don’t have much sympathy for them. But why bother going through the same old motions with nothing to show for it? I’ve refrained from responding to questions in c/slop because its completely obvious it would turn out badly, no matter what I said in there.

I honestly like having some ml and hexbear users around our instance nowadays, including yourself, because they often have some good takes, deep historical knowledge, and good humour. But they have to appreciate that most of our users are not very sympathetic towards the USSR (particularly during the stalinist period) or to modern day russia either because of, you know, the whole authoritarian dictator thing. Again, surprising nobody I would have thought. But there’s also a whole bunch of stuff we do agree on. I think as a matter of inter-instance harmony, there are some hot button issues that are best avoided when posting on an external instance.

Do you have any ideas how to defuse or avoid these situations in future? I’m open to suggestions.

His sentiment was that the russians got their just desserts, since they colluded with the nazis early in the war. I mean to be honest, that doesn’t seem like nazi apologia to me. And I know we won’t agree on that, but let’s agree to disagree.

I agree it was a terrible take. But I think it’s pretty well known by now _cryptagion likes to be a bit of a provocateur. And to be honest, you also have a few users on your instance who make similar hyperbolic statements in the other direction. So, no, I’m not planning to demod him over some inflamed rhetoric about events that happened 80+ years ago. I have removed the offending comments though and I’m satisfied he won’t poke the bears in their own den again. And perhaps most importantly, he won’t be enabling Kittyroll to get herself into trouble again.

Thanks to everyone who was so kind and forgiving to Kittyroll.

No and I will talk to cryptagion about it.

It might be good to have the option of a right of reply in the modlog for the person being moderated, for each mod action?

Yeah I have removed it. I just don’t understand where all the animosity is coming from in this case. It seems so misdirected. Can’t win 'em all over I guess.

Out of nowhere HE chose to respond with telling me I am “infamous” due to a meme. Learn to read, it was open hostility.

I accept you experienced it as misogyny. But it looks to me like he only replied to you because you replied to him first. It was hardly “out of nowhere”.

Last, no. It’s harassment or he wouldn’t say “infamous” about a post criticizing men and their inaction during fascist takeover (stop gaslighting).

Imo it’s your hyperbolic language that has made you rather infamous around Lemmy. Not the fact you are a woman. And I have no problem with the language you use - a bit of hyperbole often makes the point more impactful.

If he is going to treat women like shit and push the patriarchy, then it can be reflected back at him.

That’s a hypothetical. Yes, IF he did that then I’d completely agree with you. I just don’t agree with you that’s what happened.

You know immediately what wounds fascists by what they police and hate, and it’s fine to use that speech against them - so you can get them to agree that the patriarchy is bad and NO ONE should be enforcing gender roles on others. That’s the point.

The fact you are slinging words like ‘fascist’ around at _cryptagion tells me either you haven’t bothered to read his post/comment history before making the accusation. He’s one of those antifa types you libs love to hate on.

I get that this is your attempt to save face though. It doesn’t work to gaslight women who know your stupid lies and tricks. I noticed the lack of apology for the impact of what you did regardless of intent. https://harpers.org/archive/1941/08/who-goes-nazi/

I do apologize for posting your comment as a tagline, and I have removed it since that’s what you asked me to do. Beyond that I don’t think there’s much to discuss.