https://www.startribune.com/ice-raids-minnesota/601546426 (live updates)
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Alex Jeffrey Pretti, 37.
No criminal history. A lawful gun owner with a valid conceal carry permit.
I haven’t commented on any of the content of this story until now.
Pay very close attention the the ‘agent’ wearing the grey coat, with his back to the camera before he turns around and walks towards it holding a gun.
He goes in hands empty, retrieves the gun from the suspects waistband, at the small of his back, and leaves before the first shot is fired.
Every shot was fired, by federal agents, at an unarmed individual. Plain murder.
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But the MiDtErRms bro, just vote on the midterms. Let them jerk killing people until you can vote, one vote and we defeat fascism bro trust /s
Lmao. Midterms. I remember when those used to happen.
I feel like we need to add identifier numbers, like “second ice murder in Minneapolis” because I’m seeing so many of these posts now and each time I’m not sure if it is a new one or not so I gotta watch that horrible ice snuff video again.
With ice, you’re just losing count of the victoms
String up the traitors
Watch the other video, he stepped in to defend a woman and was attacked by the agents. If you work for the government you are a coward.
If you work for the government you are a coward.
Not all, but anything related to ICE, absolutely. Ex works for census bureau, has nothing to do with ICE. Not like she can just jump ship, leave retirement, etc.
Ex works for census bureau of third reich had nothing to do with the holocaust.
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Holy fuck, this is bad. What are you fucking doing, America?
What are you fucking doing, America?
We’re being murdered?
Kinda weird for a country that said: ‘we accept dead children at schools in the name of defending from tyranny’
Tyranny is when people have pronouns or vaccines.
Tyranny is when you care for your fellow man and try to uplift the poor and downtrodden.
^ this person second amendments!
He is intentionally invading cities that don’t fall in that murica stereotype. Cities that allow women the right to choose, are pro gay rights, and don’t ban books. These cities would have much stricter gun laws if we could without courts shutting it down.
You’d think they’d be invading cities with the highest number of illegal immigrants.
If we had stricter gun laws then there would be nothing to stop these thugs, who are armed by the federal government and would be excempt from those laws, from exectuting whoever they want. It would be 100% worse than it already is.
The same people who kept saying that are the same ones doing the murdering now.
Yes, because all Americans are the same entity and statements like this are helpful and insightful… /s
Not weird at all if you actually understood American culture and geography.
Yep. We all collectively said that. The whole country did. Even the dead kids.
If you ask Russian influencers on Lemmy, they’d tell you we’re LETTING it happen. It’s our fault, you see. All our fault. Whether we’re Trump himself or a starving mother of three working three jobs.
Fuck this noise. Let the world unite under the banner of those who oppose fascism.
The ones committing the murder are also Americans.
In the same way that the Nazis were German I guess
Dude was getting curb stomped and head smashed in by a blunt object before the shooting… So my question is simple… If a gang of masked men, who outnumber you 7:1, and are literally smashing your head in with “non-lethal” crowd management devices and causing life altering injuries while you are pinned down under thread of death, why wouldn’t self defence be justified? I’m not saying the gun was his, or that he had control of it, or that he even fired it, but I am saying if ICE is doing this to people why shouldn’t they defend themselves. Black Panthers just got some recruiting. Arm yourselves and openly carry. It’s your right so use it.
Let’s go further than that. If you know that you will be killed if you don’t resist, and you will certainly be killed if you resist while they’ve already started… maybe you shouldn’t lie down and not resist, and you definitely shouldn’t let them start in the first place.
hell, maybe you need some friends to back you up and start some bullet dancing to get those thugs off your back.
Best Americans can do is stand around and bitch, unfortunately. I want to be proven otherwise, still waiting for the proof though.
Collapsing. It’s going to suck. But America needs to go.
Are we sure it’s not already gone, and we are simply witnessing its cadaveric spasms?
As doomist or accelerationist or pessimistic as many people call me, I am not sure even I am quite yet there mentally to fully admit that…
…even though you may very well be correct.
Can France please save us?
Seems fair, we helped them last time with their fascist problem. They help us with ours.
I bet an occupied US would even get socialized medicine
To be fair, they helped us before then with our king issue.
This isn’t to say they shouldn’t though. It sounds like we’ve got a good partnership going of helping each other with their authoritarian issues.
Nothing.
They did nothing when the fat paedo was elected the first time. And they did almost nothing after the orange traitor stole top secret documents. And now they are once again doing fuck all whilst the fat paedo takes over their country like an unfunny comedy dictator.Thanks. What are you doing?
I’m not from america, but I am asking questions and posting on the internet asking for action. Which means I’m doing more than most americans…
Getting murdered. Are you somehow not paying attention?
Fear, helplessness, disorganization… We’re living an example of modern political battleground you can’t even imagine.
Filming, holding signs, posting on social media, yelling at ICE… so nothing.
What do you propose instead?
Disruption of economy or violence are the only viable options.
Today is literally a general strike across Minneapolis and neighboring areas you fucking twat.
Sigh… A one day protest on a Saturday where the vast majority of participants either already had the day off or requested it from their employer is in no way a strike. It’s a large protest and an important event, but it’s just not a strike.
It’s like the actual concept of a strike is being erased from the public consciousness. Strikes don’t have a fixed duration, they have a list of demands, and the strike goes on until those demands are met or the strikers capitulate.
A bunch of Minnesotans taking a day off work to protest sends a strong message and mildly inconveniences businesses.
A bunch of Minnesotans saying “we’re not going back to work until ICE is out of our state” is what an actual general strike would look like. It would be hugely powerful if strikers held fast, but it would also be incredibly hard to organize and pull off, because you’re basically asking large numbers of people to be willing to get fired.
I’m not trying to downplay what’s going on in Minnesota - it’s good and important, but it saddens me to see people calling this a general strike. A general strike is the ultimate weapon of the working class. Calling a mass protest a general strike feels like saying “this is the best we can do,” and it absolutely is not.
America has successfully villified unions for decades, it would not surprise me one bit if they have also systematically erased any education about actual strikes as part of the already well-documented gutting of general education and overall indoctrination the American right has performed on the population.
They would also need support from other states. A general strike is adhered to by everyone.
Okay that’s fair
Over half the country is paralyzed by frigid temps and storms this weekend. It is not the statement you are expecting. A general No-BUY that lasts for months may help but honestly, there are many that just don’t have that discipline. Even last year, during winter, we had lackluster engagement. I mean I am over 60 and can’t risk falling on icy sidewalks. First off, let’s see what we can do to protect the integrity of homes (barred windows, double deadbolt locks on all egresses) Even boarding up windows with wood/locked shutters) in order to prevent home invasions. Locked fences. You know… make those MFers work for it. We can be “Meals on Wheels” to deliver nutrition. Provide families with loyal fierce pets that will alert them to anyone crossing their property. Distribute gas masks, goggles. Put up cameras that are not controlled by some tech collaborator. Esp. cameras that keep the footage inside.
Piss in the wind, they know you all have to work and the rest of the country is still in nothing ever happens omg did you see Fallout last night?! mode.
I just want to say, I really hope you pronounced it twat like @, and not twat like twot.
Here’s hoping the strikes continue and gain momentum nationwide. I’d heard it was supposed to be happening in other cities on Friday, but not sure how well that went.
Yeah I hope it spreads too. Gotta start somewhere!
1 day. 1 city. You can’t be that stupid.
Hey how’s the weather in St. Petersburg today, Ivan?
I’d imagine pretty cold, but I have no idea. It’s probably not as nice as it is in Lala Land where you’re clearly at.
I agree a prolonged and universal strike is needed. Have you taken steps to help organize locally where you are? If not I’m very happy to provide you resources and if possible put you in contact with organizers local to your area.
I don’t think concerted violence here in America will do anything except to empower the executive branch to invoke the insurrection act and declare marshall law.
However targeted assinations in a minecraft server have been proven very effective in a more historical context.
First off, a change of venue, away from the people earning 5 and 6 figure wages, and toward those earning at least high 7-figures. These ICE clowns aren’t the problem; the problem is the bastards sending them.
Let obscenely rich people know they are going to take the heat anywhere ICE shows up, and watch how quickly ICE is disbanded.
They can start here.
A 5-figure wage isn’t a lot of money.
I see your point. It seems like when you have gangs of ICE menacing a lone citizen like cockroaches on a smear of bacon grease… some kind of pest control should be dispatched.> Alex Jeffrey Pretti
The armed American in this instance was murdered by armed nazis.
sadly what happened. all the guns in the world are of no use if you are in his situation.
some of the black panthers got it right: organised, trained and are bringing their legal big guns very openly and in big numbers. pretty sure that acts as a deterrent.
but if you are alone in that poor guys situation, the nazis could beat him to death with sticks… which kind of was a nazi tactic (sturmabteilung was mainly a goon squad)
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That will only give them ammunition and the right optics to become even more oppressive. But there are concrete steps we can take to combat the regime with our last non-violent pathways (the titles below expand if you click them).
Learn First Aid! ⛑️
The future us likely to be violent, and It extremely important to have the skills to be able to keep yourself and others alive if they get hurt. You can never have too many medics.
Tacticool Girlfriend provides a great introduction to building a personal first aid kit, called an IFAK, which can deal with things like bullet wounds and other serious bleeding wounds. I also want to emphasize her recommendation of only buying medical gear from reputable sources (not Amazon!), such as North American Rescue to avoid fakes that could cost you your life.
But you’ll need to learn how to use that equipment, too. The best resource for that is to take a local Stop The Bleed class, which are pretty widely available in most places. They may cost a small fee, but can also sometimes be free. Alternatively, if you cannot access a local class, this video by PrepMedic will give you a solid understanding of how to use Tourniquets and Gauze for wound packing.
Injuries are less harmful if they are tended to early. Learning first aid can help conserve resources when healthcare becomes unaffordable. Having several medics in case of harm by police is an extremely powerful morale booster during a protest that may become a police riot. When you become comfortable with the basics of first aid, riot medicine is the next suggested step.
Establish or join local Mutual Aid networks ✊
If you haven’t already, get to know your neighbors. Mutual aid is a willingness to support and grow your community. This can include informal networks through friends, tenant/renter organizations, solidarity groups, and industrial unions.
These are groups using direct action to solve each other’s problems. Building strong communities makes it difficult for fascism to take root. The actions of the government are going to hit every community hard, and the ones who build trust in each other and work together are most likely to survive. We’ve been building a list of resources in [email protected] to help you on your way. Also check out this handy guide to find existing groups in your area.
This isn’t only for your own community protection. Your ability to organize today will change the political landscape tomorrow. When revolution occurs, the social organizations that show the greatest resilience through the regime are the ones typically calling the shots when the dust settles. When it comes to elections, get out the vote drives are useless if most of the voters are fascists. At some point, you have to do grassroots political education if you don’t want fascist candidates winning elections. Mutual aid networks are excellent forums not only for teaching each other good political ideas, but demonstrating them in practice.
Join a Union and Prepare for an even longer General Strike! 💪
The most effective non-violent action we can take is preparing and organizing for a General Strike.
The country would be brought to its knees if suddenly deprived of profit and labor. That tactic was extremely effective in Chile in 2019, and had they not fallen for the trick of liberal reform, they would’ve had a successful revolution on their hands with virtually no bloodshed.
If you aren’t in a union (or even if you are, it’s worth dual-carding), consider joining the IWW to unionize your workplace (bonus: you’ll get higher wages, better benefits, and more time off if you succeed!) to strengthen a general strike if we manage to enact one, as most unions have a strike fund that can supplement your income during a general strike to make it more financially bearable (you should also save as much money as you can reasonably do, so it can also be used to keep yourself afloat during a strike).
And for our international friends, you should join one as well, as fascism is gaining momentum globally. If your country isn’t listed below, just contact the IWW directly in the link above, and they’ll help you set up a new local branch.
Adopt Security Culture and Digital Camouflage 🛡️
Sometimes benign seeming efforts can turn into unexpected personal data collecting traps. Like an obscure website for exchanging contact info with other students turning into a global ad-tech surveillance network (Facebook), or innocent seeming online personality tests being use to harvest character profiles. Even Etsy, Reddit, Tinder, and Duolingo are feeding information to US Government Agencies like ICE.
Security culture is commonly used to describe the general awareness of such potential traps and how it can affect groups or entire communities. This goes beyond mere individual privacy efforts, as without joint efforts these often fail to work.
Especially in activist circles, security culture is paramount. For opsec reasons not everyone in the group might be aware of what clandestine efforts others are involved in, but with a general security culture many potential data leaks can be avoided.
Movements are made by the volume of their participants, and the easier and less dangerous it is to participate, the more people will get involved. As more people get involved, individual involvement becomes even less dangerous, creating a virtuous cycle.
We’ll start it off with some General Advice:
- Mentally wall off personal uniquely identifying info from your online presence, actively build a habit of opsec so that withholding information is your default mental state
- Be careful about who you meet online
- Use different, unrelated usernames, passwords & emails for every account. And try not to connect to those accounts with your real IP address (use Tor or a VPN)
- Be mindful that anything done online leaves a trail
- agents provocateurs may seek to find patsies willing to perform an ill-advised illegal activity in order to legitimize police repression. If someone is trying to pressure you, especially if you don’t have a long and proven history with them, be extremely wary.
For a full guide on what encrypted communications platforms to use, and how to stay off the radar, read the Digital Camouflage section within the Monthly Meta post here (you’ll need to scroll down. I’d add it here, but it won’t fit in this comment).
I’d also highly recommend anyone reading this to read Full Spectrum Resistance if you can for further info.
You have 2 options realisticaly: move or fight. Soft-speech just let’s them accumulate more power.
It would be foolish to fight before our most powerful non-violent tools are even tried. Businesses are already shaken up by the 1 day general strike in Minneapolis, we just need to sustain a longer one, look how effective it was in Chile against a violent government.
Do not be quick to rush into other means, especially when the enemy is already losing the optics war this badly, and thus losing popular support. Ideally you’d let them lose enough public support and generate enough public anger that you may even have blue state’s national guard joining the resistance if things do become violent, which would be a great boon.
Remember, these tactics were far more effective in Nazi Germany because Hitler and the Nazi party were loved by the majority, to the point that Germans in positions capable of initiating a resistance chose not to, due to the reality that the party was so loved, the populace themselves would reject and destroy any resistance effort. That is not the case in the US.
I really wish you’d post that as a separate post in a Lemmy community where a lot of people would find it in
You have my full permission to copy and repost this anywhere you think it would get the most eyeballs, I would be most grateful if you did, actually!
Do you have the full code for that post?
If you’re using lemmy from the standard browser UI, you can click the little paper with folded edge icon at the bottom of a comment or post to expose the raw markdown version of the text.
Can I credit you?
Sure, if you’d like, though my comment is an amalgamation of my own writing and the writings of my co-admins, @[email protected] and @[email protected], which we assembled for our instance’s Monthly Meta posts.
They are. They’re in the video.
Well guess which side has been campaigning for decades to limit gun ownership…
This murder was 1,300 miles away. Shall I go up there and hunt them. Please provide explicit instructions. I’ll wait right here smartass.
You should organize locally, not necessarily in Minneapolis. This is a country-wide problem, and while this particular incident happened 1300 miles away from you, there are undoubtedly people being terrorized by ICE much closer to you. You could join the closest PSL chapter, unionize your workplace, and join mutual aid organizations and mutual defense orgs close to you. Don’t feel alienated by the calls to action, feel included, everyone can help
America 101:
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there is a problem (government overreach)
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the only solution must be guns (hunt them)
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but i would have to get up from the sofa (I’m soo far away)
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so I will do nothing, and play victim online
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Yes.
They will keep doing this at this point. Strongly worded letters and asking the collective of white supremacists who said empathy is a sin is not going to change their minds. RIP the victim. Republicans should be socially exiled from society.
All MAGA should have a T branded on their forehead so everyone they ever meet knows exactly who they’re talking to. All ICE agents should be sent to prison for the rest of their life, but also be gifted a 6ft length of rope. They can do whatever they want with that rope.
Let them off themselves that easily? Why show more mercy to them than an ordinary criminal? These are high treason domestic terrorists who execute anyone who has even a bit of good in them.
Trump supporters should not be allowed to pay taxes, recieve any social services, and police should not respond to their distress calls. They should all be shoved into a single piece of land, and left to fend for themselves like the animals they are. Their very own sociopathic dystopia.
I was just trying to think of the most fair but merciful solution. I am certainly not opposed to them receiving a traitors consequence, however.
Maybe instead of a branded “T” they could wear yellow armbands and we could make a series of camps to keep them in for the long term. Is this just another case of history repeating? /s
Very interesting how you decided to go there. What part about what I said prompted you to suggest camps?
You went there with tentative little footsteps, I just pushed it further down the road. Yet another case of history repeating. Prisons. Camps. To-may-toe. To-mah-toe. Armbands. Scratched “T” tattoos. Po-tay-toes. Po-tah-toes. I’m not sure you are sincere in your interest.
I meant every word I said. These people should be walking freely with a branded T on their foreheads so people will forever know who they’re talking to. YOU went the extra step by saying that’s comparable to fucking death camps?!?! If anything I was being merciful, the world might actually be better off without them. But I’m kind enough to let them continue to participate in society, only so that they come with a visible warning to the kinder majority.
Then you walk in and suggest “Might as well put them in death camps then.” You sure you’re not a fascist? Either you are because you feel threatened by people being able to identify you as such, or because ideas such as death camps come awfully easy to you. Either way, thanks for identifying yourself to us.
Us? I didn’t know I was dealing with a pack. I stand alone and stand by my own statement(s). “Thanks for identifying yourself to us” sounds so Nazi (but I’m sure you carry a lot of moral outrage with you). Anyway, good luck with all that conflict.
Just remember. Jeffries and the democrats just voted to increase ICEs funding with the Republicans.
Reps. Henry Cuellar (Texas), Jared Golden (Maine), Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (Wash.), Laura Gillen (N.Y.), Don Davis (N.C.), Tom Suozzi (N.Y.) and Vicente Gonzalez (Texas) voted for it. They should be primaried and vilified. Jefferies didn’t whip the vote, but he did vote against it.
Now it’s important to pressure senators to not pass the bill.
Jared Golden already announced he’s not running for re-election, and it’s not because he knows he’ll get primaried. He’s always been Republican-lite, voting for basically everything they wanted even though he’s technically a Democrat, so I assume he’s on his way around the iron triangle now that he’s proved his worth to his owners.
Get their asses. Make ICE toxic for Democrats.
7 Democrats voted with them. Not all the Democrats. My rep voted NO.
How many democrats voted in support?
Look at how the cowards run away when he’s shot. Fuck them all. I hope they are all held accountable.
They will not be held accountable and will do it again tomorrow
Accountable? Like getting a medal of honour?
There was no reason… pure murder
Yeah, just shoots him while he’s on the ground. Wtf.
From my understanding:
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Like 6 ICE thugs were beating up this one guy
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The guy was trying to reach for the mace bottle first and a thug kicked it away.
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A single shot went off but it’s too hard to tell where it came from
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Two ICE thugs fired a bunch of rounds into the guy as others backed away and he died
We really need that pink lady’s video I think. If the protestor fired first, then we’re looking at the question of justified defense against ICE (which they’ll obviously rule with ICE that it was a legal murder). If an ICE agent fired first, then it’s straight up murder first degree.
edit: I’ve seen three other views, and the ICE thug in the grey sweater pulled the protestor’s away first, then the ICE thug in green pulled out his gun, a shot went off (I think from this guy), then the other ICE thugs got scared and started blindly shooting. This was a straight up murder.
After the first shot, the guy goes limp. They shot him, then they got scared and unloaded a mag on him when he was already dead.
The guy didn’t have a chance, he was just cold blooded murder.
I see the victim swing his arms immediately after the first shot at :19. He goes down with the shots that follow.
The green sweater guy draws his gun, fires at point blank range, the victim doesn’t immediately register being shot and is still pushing back against all of them beating him, then the others hear the shot and get scared then assassinate him. There are about 3 or 4 other views now online.
If you watch the video, the guy with the gray coat walks up to them, removes this guy’s legal firearm, and walks away before the firing starts.
They opened fire on an unarmed civilian who was on the ground.
From what I saw, looks like the thug was pistol whipping the guy … Willing to bet that was the first shot and it hit home.
Nope, not from the other angles. He was hitting him with a canister
just to be clear, it wouldn’t be justified defense even if they guy had fought back, since they abducted and beat him without cause in the first place
There’s a guy on the left beating the victim, potentially in the head, with what looks like a capsicum spray bottle. There’s a guy kneeling to his right who reaches for his right pocket and then, with his right arm, reaches towards the victim who is starting to get up before he suddenly jerks back as a shot rings out.
In my opinion, I think that man shot the victim point blank, potentially in the chest, and this is the first shot.
Either way, this is an execution, without question. That poor ICU nurse.
Edit: i watched the link coat woman’s video for a while, and i think the first shot (whoever it was by) was done in response to an agent accidentally falling over a little. They were on their knees, tried to get up, but as the victim struggled to get up, he accidentally shoved that agent a bit. Immediately after, the shot rings out.
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How long until ice starts unloading full cartriges into crowds of protestors and vice-versa? This is really shaping up to be an actual civil war. Trump and his cohort was used to the politicians of democrats and not the actual people who vote for them because theres no better choice. These people will fight back. It will take one of those black panthers with a handheld cannon to be arround when something similar to this happens. Im surprised it hasnt escalated yet. I have mixed feelings about this cause i know theres no such thing as a peacefull revolution but seeing not only the innocent but even the the perpetrators die violently pains my heart. A lot of us arent idealists but we still enjoy peace, but the voilent and disgusting ruling class is forcing all of us to change and accept that violence is the solution. It was in the case of fascist italy, nazi germany and now fascist usa as well. Good luck my fellow people who just want to have a normal life but were born on the wrong side of the north atlantic.
We should not be focusing protests at these ICE fucks, and we should not be protesting in cities and working-class neighborhoods.
Every atrocity committed by the agents of this oligarchy, we need to be picketing the oligarchs.
Here’s five good places to start.
From this angle, it does look like all the shots were fired by ICE.
Alternative link to Xitter:
Thank you, this is the first video I’ve seen of the start of the interaction. It’s a little hard to tell, but it doesn’t look like the victim ever drew his gun. Bovino claimed in a press conference that ICE believed he had threatened ICE with his gun, which I’m currently doubting.
I wouldn’t believe a fucking word of armed terrorists. Trump straight lied in the Whitehouse about Goode’s murder, even after watching the video together with reporters. “Internal bleeding” my ass.
There’s another video that shows a man in a tan jacket standing up from and walking away from the dogpile immediately before the first shot. He has a pistol with a holographic sight mounted on the slide, pointed at the ground. This appears to be the victim’s pistol.
It is the 15MB file, starting with AA67, in this Proton Drive
It appears that this officer disarmed the victim, then discharged the victim’s weapon into the pavement. This appears to be the first round fired.
So they took his gun and executed him with his own gun?
Edit: okay, it’s pretty clear that one of the thugs disarmed the victim and fired a shot into the pavement as he was leaving, and a second later the victim was brutally shot to kill by other thugs.
I bet this was all on purpose - the shot to the pavement from the victim’s gun was so they could claim the victim fired the first shot and killing him was in self defense.
I highly doubt it was intentional. That would require a certain degree of competence that is entirely lacking here. From the agent’s initial and unecessary provocation, to the escalation with pepper spray, to the vicious attack on a compliant subject, there is no evidence of competency here. That the officer handling the victim’s weapon lacked the most basic weapons handling skills seems on par.
I’m not really seeing your point. Why is competence a prerequisite for premeditated murder? Especially since they actually fucked up and got caught on video.
Hanlon’s Razor. Incompetence adequately explains everything that happened here, and is, IMO, much more damaging. A competent group of conspirators can be brought under control. An incompetent group can’t help but continue fucking up, time and time again.
The latter is much more dangerous.
This is the one that needs to be at the top. Someone posted this below, so yes, AA67 definitely shows grey guy taking the victims gun before the execution happens.
we get it he had a gun, but why did the gray-coat not indicate to them that he’s been disarmed? They just shouted “Gun…Gun…”, then that ill-trained trigger-happy lowlife who shot him literally pushed the grey-coat agent away before shooting him in the back. I can’t believe he did not realize that he was disarmed. There is no excuse
If greg bovino said the sky was blue I’d go out to check for myself.
I really can’t make out what is happening from that potato camera video. It looks like ICE fired all shots, multiple agents.
There are some slowed down videos with markers in this thread. He was disarmed before they shot him.
That’s not even a murder, that is a straight up execution.
