I’m an outsider to this instance, so my vote doesn’t count.

I’m fine with banning Zionist content and users. I’m starting to see them regularly on Bluesky; they make inflammatory claims, but don’t back anything up, and immediately resort to ad hominem when challenged. Even if you thought that some of the claims they made might have a degree of validity, they’re still disruptive assholes. So far I haven’t run across any that are acting in good faith; the accounts I’ve encountered sound like Israeli psy-ops.

How is zionist content even compatible with the golden rules of our instance? To be clear, I’m not against adding it explicitly to the list in rule 4, as it makes for a stronger stance, but I’m surprised this is up for debate.

this isn’t that complicated

I guess I’m for it. I don’t have particularly strong feelings about it. I think it’s important for people to strongly oppose these ideas when they crop up. But is it better for these to be visibly refuted? Or to be quietly removed? Can’t say I know what’s better. Banning them is fine with me.

One of my favorite hobbies over the past few years is following the internal collapse of online communities that passionately support an incoherent political ideology. There’s something entertaining in watching events of the downfall unfold as predicted. This community is going down that road and there’s not stopping it.

It’s really not hard to see why. Anarchy is a fundamentally incoherent ideology. The ideology goes against human nature. There’s a reason why it never worked out in history and never will. Like with all other inherently flawed ideologies, anarchy is too rigid, idealistic, and out of touch with reality. It can’t adapt and its inadequacies can’t hold up to criticism. Therefore, in order for the ideology to stay intact, authoritarianism has to step in and limit the discourse.

And so the censorship hammer begins to swing. Political censorship always after specific targets rather than specific behaviors, which means that it’s designed to be weaponized. This is usually done with the implementation being intentionally unprincipled and vague which removes accountability from the censoring authority, thus giving them the wiggle room to censor whoever they don’t like. Which is another thing, political censorship is always framed as a necessary moral purification rather than the liberty erosion that it is. This gives the censoring authority the power to ban any critics of the censorship as being immoral or supporting immorality. It’s the same old tired textbook that we’ve time and time again.

The thing is? It will happen. There’s no point in arguing for or against something like this, it will pass with thunderous applause… which is ironic for an anarchist space, but that’s just how things go. Once it does pass, it WILL be followed up with a similar proposal soon after and then another and another, and the discourse here will continue to slowly but surely get more limited and more extreme. This will remain the case until the community snuffs itself out and only a shell of what it used to be remains. This community’s future is going to be similar to what r/conservative or lemmygrad are like now. If that’s how it’s going to be, then I might as well as sit back and enjoy the show.

I’m not from this instance but I think this idea is ridiculous. You all have the right to be fascist, that’s up to you, but I think it’s bad. People have the right to believe whatever they want and you have the right not to host their accounts. But this is a terrible idea.

There’s a difference between neozionism, those that want to continue carrying out colonialist activities, and postzionism, those that don’t. If you don’t want to establish a difference between the two, you might as well ban the entirety of American users as well as many other countries. From the sounds of it, you want to focus on neozionist mirroring Hasbara talking points, so you should make the distinction. Otherwise I’m just going to assume you are picking the flip side of the same coin and are really trying to sneak an Israel shouldn’t exist stance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evIyrrjTTY

Frankly, I don’t care whether it is Israel or Palestine, I just don’t think savagery is solved by savagery from the other guy, and there are plenty of Muslims that march along with plenty of Jews for peace in the region and for Palestinian rights without calling for the toppling the existing state and the bloodshed that would inevitably ensue from it.

Add a clause stating unambiguously that this does not discriminate against people with the Jewish ethnicity or against followers of Judaism. Just the specific policy of Zionism is affected.

Palestinian here, just thanking you for trying to do what you can. <3

Zionism is so innately wrong (and has been for 80 years). Anyone still supporting it up to now is too far gone to be convinced by reading comments by some people online.

I AM NOT A DIV0 USER. DO NOT COUNT MY COMMENT AS A VOTE

I like it. I think it does really limit the scope and maintains a clear focus.

It avoids the religious BS - there are plenty of Zionists who aren’t Jewish and plenty of Jews who aren’t Zionists.

If you’re a Zionist, then you don’t beling here; it’s the same with Nazis, white supremacists, et aliīs.

Edit: removed an incomplete sentence.

Unbelievably based. Zionists, like Nazis, shouldn’t be platformed.

I will say: on the topic of banning Zionists, I think it would be helpful if someone from db0 or maybe a bot would reply to the comment that caused the ban with the Wikipedia entries for the Nakba, pogroms, and just the entire history of Palestine’s enslavement to Israel. Kinda like how YouTube links the Climate Change Wikipedia entry for videos that deal with that topic, or like Twitter community notes.

Free Palestine

Zionism is giving yourself permission to kill/oppress people who don’t have the same religious beliefs that you do. That’s bullshit.

Hey, the drones were circling over my fucking Christmas lunch this week. We were cranking up the Bublé to cover the constant buzzing, and the bad/worst part is that the kids seemed used to the sound. The only reason those things were in the air over an area with no militia activity is psychological warfare basically. This was a good 80+ km from the border. People in Santa hats were sticking their heads out of the window and looking up. I struggle to get across how normal we are while discussing what we’re dealing with, and I figure mentioning how it’s affected me filling myself with wine and carving a comically sized bird could help get that across to people who also do this every year, or to who the idea is less foreign than the idea of being constantly surveilled by a hostile expansionist entity. I’m not trying to use my sect to say I’m special and don’t deserve this, I’m just trying to see if it can help bridge a gap to discuss something difficult, to be clear.

That said, my opinion might still come off as a bit too lenient to some of you and I think I should write it out. But I am from and live in Lebanon, and I am directly affected by these crimes.

I’ve got a lot of users (I think literally every single one on German instances lmfao) tagged in my client as “Zionist”. I think most of them just pop into a few threads naturally and make a few reality-denying comments from force of habit. I see them in other places and they fit the typical description of internet dude with opinions on Rust and Linux making interesting comments about random stuff. They’re mostly well-behaved outside of beliefs that are upstream of me being chucked into a concentration camp so the US military’s contractors can make my home a parking lot at an exorbitant cost. When I catch them in a thread about solar panels or something, I’ll even find them making comments that I want to read. Normal people with good insight.

The average person in the West has been fed such a blatantly false narrative that I find myself not blaming a few of the milder opinions. It’s on par for me with progressives talking up and down the potential greatness of the American experiment. I think Zionism is one thing that people can learn about and understand and clearly see that the status quo is not normal or natural or inevitable or even self-sustaining.

This might all be downstream of me moderating the way I have tended to handle this stuff on Reddit, my old online home which I’ve spent well over a decade.

Therefore we propose that should no longer be accepting of any Zionist accounts on our instances.

My opinion is a two sided thing because I don’t know if this means blocking users from other instances from federating, blocking them from posting or voting on our instance’s posts and comments, or blocking them from signing up.

I think blocking them from signup is very reasonable. Probably morally necessary.

I think blocking them as external users, regardless of the extent of it, might be heavy handed if it’s a one-off comment by a normal human being, often German, who has been propagandized since birth that Jews will all immediately die if Arabs aren’t treated like cattle. I think these people can learn. OTOH there are what seems like dedicated Hasbara accounts that have an RSS feed of every post with “Israel” or Palestine and have to respond to every single one with a comment that would immediately get you banned from literally any webpage with a text box if you swapped the words Jewish and Muslim. If we can block those outright nothing will be lost.

What I propose is a three/five strikes system for external users with a relatively gentle warning message with some good links like someone already proposed here. Probably a little thing in German to get the attention of those with Nazi baggage who are completely delusional and intentionally ignoring reality.

Personally if I was the one writing it I’d also include that, as a Westerner, believing that Jewish people may inherently leave the West for a colonial frontier far away from you is literally anti-Semitism if you think about it for 20 seconds. Nothing says ancestral homeland like having to rename towns and treat the local population like inconveniently located bags of blood.

I’m also in favor of extending the window since a lot of people are not going to be online much this time of year. I hope, at least. For their own sake.

Happy New Year everyone; I hope Natenyahu lets me and all of us see the untold horrors that await us in 2026.

Don’t see the need to limit the voting to two days, especially during holidays when people are not as online.